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認清陳雲真面目 拒絕自治式騙局
認清陳雲真面目 拒絕自治式騙局 
我唔單止反對陳雲對派外人嘅涼薄謾罵 , 我仲好反對陳雲主張嘅香港城邦論 .
佢嗰套小中華城邦自治係一條死路死路一條 . 自治呢種政府架構 , 正常黎講係另一種夾係宗主國壓力同本土民情之間嘅恐怖平衡 "balance of terror" ; 香港如果實行城邦自治 , 就要對中共呢個宗主國半推半就 , 又要面對港人起咗自決嘅自尊心 , 另一方面又要完全承認中共對香港有主權權利 . 呢種夾心餅自治政府會有過份巨大嘅施政壓力、一定會弱勢又難堪過689政府 /特區政府架構 。
而根據中共呢六十幾年黎嘅統治手段 , 大陸各省各地一樣有唔小自治區 ; 自治呢兩個字對中共黎講係等於全權掌握 ; 就算中共白紙黑字允許香港城邦自治 , 樣樣應承又乜又柒天花龍鳳.... 中共都係永遠唔在乎合約精神 , 永遠唔會忠於任何契約 , 永遠唔會信守任何承諾 ; 去同中共訂約 , 去求中共施予自治 , 實在係天真過天真嬌 , 仲話咩自治走向獨立建國 !? 個結果只有等同完美投降 !!
本土主義係必須 , 但係本土主義嘅進一步出路如果係自治 , 尤其係以中共為宗主國之下嘅自治 , 呢條出路仲慘過行陰司路 ....
我唔單止反對陳雲對派外人嘅涼薄謾罵 , 我仲好反對陳雲主張嘅香港城邦論 .
佢嗰套小中華城邦自治係一條死路死路一條 . 自治呢種政府架構 , 正常黎講係另一種夾係宗主國壓力同本土民情之間嘅恐怖平衡 "balance of terror" ; 香港如果實行城邦自治 , 就要對中共呢個宗主國半推半就 , 又要面對港人起咗自決嘅自尊心 , 另一方面又要完全承認中共對香港有主權權利 . 呢種夾心餅自治政府會有過份巨大嘅施政壓力、一定會弱勢又難堪過689政府 /特區政府架構 。
而根據中共呢六十幾年黎嘅統治手段 , 大陸各省各地一樣有唔小自治區 ; 自治呢兩個字對中共黎講係等於全權掌握 ; 就算中共白紙黑字允許香港城邦自治 , 樣樣應承又乜又柒天花龍鳳.... 中共都係永遠唔在乎合約精神 , 永遠唔會忠於任何契約 , 永遠唔會信守任何承諾 ; 去同中共訂約 , 去求中共施予自治 , 實在係天真過天真嬌 , 仲話咩自治走向獨立建國 !? 個結果只有等同完美投降 !!
本土主義係必須 , 但係本土主義嘅進一步出路如果係自治 , 尤其係以中共為宗主國之下嘅自治 , 呢條出路仲慘過行陰司路 ....
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我晌fb Tab 咗陳雲
冇迷雲黨敢回應 、陳雲亦冇回應
利申 ：fb三千幾個fd ,陳雲一定知我鏟佢
甩毛陳本嘢買咗 睇咗幾頁 唔知佢up乜春 sale橋一百字內up唔掂 收得皮 
佢啲教徒 都係借本嘢揾食 互相企埋啲取暖 叫做有本嘢書仔 有啲字印咗出嚟比人睇吓 睇起來好似有啲理論基礎咁
佢啲教徒 都係借本嘢揾食 互相企埋啲取暖 叫做有本嘢書仔 有啲字印咗出嚟比人睇吓 睇起來好似有啲理論基礎咁
所以我一直都係支持獨立
但無可否認，陳雲既自治論反而係激發左更多人去論壇獨立
人係好ON9，鍾意為自己做既野搵理由借口，如果無一個安慰到自己既借口，好多人會選擇唔好搞咁多野
而以前香港人大部份都係大中華膠，或者血統膠，一直覺得中國係呀爺
陳雲既理論無疑係令部份人開始思考其實可能我地先係呀爺既概念
當老一輩既人對中共/中國既情感開變轉變，唔再覺得佢地係呀爺既時候
對自己身邊既下一代自不然無咁限制/煩擾
至於新一代，對中國本來就無咩感情可言，蝗虫既影響又日益嚴重，到左直接影響佢地既地步
但好多時唔出聲都係因為屋企D老屎忽係到嘈之巴閉，敬下老先唔出聲
如果班老人家開始接受城邦論中既中港區隔，某程度上係會容易接受新一代果種更進一步中港分裂既思想
可能講得一舊舊，如果巴打們睇得辛苦既我再諗下點整理
好多人都唔用腦諗多啲，尤其係老一代/小朋友，佢哋會見到一部份有道理，講得幾啱聽；就會全盤接受曬成套理論，將佢個人當神噉認拜！
冇錯，陳雲有時嘅發表係對港獨有好正面嘅推動作用；但係一睇埋佢個最終理論目標，屌丫！瀨撚晒野！又係入番去中共懷抱慢慢等運到....
甩毛陳本嘢買咗 睇咗幾頁 唔知佢up乜春 sale橋一百字內up唔掂 收得皮
佢啲教徒 都係借本嘢揾食 互相企埋啲取暖 叫做有本嘢書仔 有啲字印咗出嚟比人睇吓 睇起來好似有啲理論基礎咁
係有理論基礎；睇到最後，變咗做幫中共統戰香港人
甩毛陳本嘢買咗 睇咗幾頁 唔知佢up乜春 sale橋一百字內up唔掂 收得皮
佢啲教徒 都係借本嘢揾食 互相企埋啲取暖 叫做有本嘢書仔 有啲字印咗出嚟比人睇吓 睇起來好似有啲理論基礎咁
係有理論基礎；睇到最後，變咗做幫中共統戰香港人
社運友 成日講 Orwell 1984, 今日嘅香港, 其實 Animal Farm 先到肉,
尤其書中講隻馬 Boxer, 勤力忠誠, 不過頭腦簡單, 記憶所及 Orwell 描寫 Boxer 好似好多香港人, 邊個把口 up 緊嘢 就覺得邊個有道理
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/animalfarm/characters.html
甩毛陳本嘢買咗 睇咗幾頁 唔知佢up乜春 sale橋一百字內up唔掂 收得皮
佢啲教徒 都係借本嘢揾食 互相企埋啲取暖 叫做有本嘢書仔 有啲字印咗出嚟比人睇吓 睇起來好似有啲理論基礎咁
係有理論基礎；睇到最後，變咗做幫中共統戰香港人
社運友 成日講 Orwell 1984, 今日嘅香港, 其實 Animal Farm 先到肉,
尤其書中講隻馬 Boxer, 勤力忠誠, 不過頭腦簡單, 記憶所及 Orwell 描寫 Boxer 好似好多香港人, 邊個把口 up 緊嘢 就覺得邊個有道理
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/animalfarm/characters.html
陶傑成日都係噉話人；晌香港講得兩咀就係神仙
Boxer
The most sympathetically drawn character in the novel, Boxer epitomizes all of the best qualities of the exploited working classes: dedication, loyalty, and a huge capacity for labor. He also, however, suffers from what Orwell saw as the working class’s major weaknesses: [#800080]a naïve trust in the good intentions of the intelligentsia[/#800080] and an inability to recognize even the most blatant forms of political corruption. Exploited by the pigs as much or more than he had been by Mr. Jones, Boxer represents all of the invisible labor that undergirds the political drama being carried out by the elites. Boxer’s pitiful death at a glue factory dramatically illustrates the extent of the pigs’ betrayal. It may also, however, speak to the specific significance of Boxer himself: before being carted off, he serves as the force that holds Animal Farm together.
The most sympathetically drawn character in the novel, Boxer epitomizes all of the best qualities of the exploited working classes: dedication, loyalty, and a huge capacity for labor. He also, however, suffers from what Orwell saw as the working class’s major weaknesses: [#800080]a naïve trust in the good intentions of the intelligentsia[/#800080] and an inability to recognize even the most blatant forms of political corruption. Exploited by the pigs as much or more than he had been by Mr. Jones, Boxer represents all of the invisible labor that undergirds the political drama being carried out by the elites. Boxer’s pitiful death at a glue factory dramatically illustrates the extent of the pigs’ betrayal. It may also, however, speak to the specific significance of Boxer himself: before being carted off, he serves as the force that holds Animal Farm together.
Boxer
The most sympathetically drawn character in the novel, Boxer epitomizes all of the best qualities of the exploited working classes: dedication, loyalty, and a huge capacity for labor. He also, however, suffers from what Orwell saw as the working class’s major weaknesses: [#800080]a naïve trust in the good intentions of the intelligentsia[/#800080] and an inability to recognize even the most blatant forms of political corruption. Exploited by the pigs as much or more than he had been by Mr. Jones, Boxer represents all of the invisible labor that undergirds the political drama being carried out by the elites. Boxer’s pitiful death at a glue factory dramatically illustrates the extent of the pigs’ betrayal. It may also, however, speak to the specific significance of Boxer himself: before being carted off, he serves as the force that holds Animal Farm together.
可以用陶傑成日講嘅小農ＤＮＡ去演繹，大部份港人都有濃厚小農ＤＡＮ
陳雲只係過渡性人物
Boxer
The most sympathetically drawn character in the novel, Boxer epitomizes all of the best qualities of the exploited working classes: dedication, loyalty, and a huge capacity for labor. He also, however, suffers from what Orwell saw as the working class’s major weaknesses: [#800080]a naïve trust in the good intentions of the intelligentsia[/#800080] and an inability to recognize even the most blatant forms of political corruption. Exploited by the pigs as much or more than he had been by Mr. Jones, Boxer represents all of the invisible labor that undergirds the political drama being carried out by the elites. Boxer’s pitiful death at a glue factory dramatically illustrates the extent of the pigs’ betrayal. It may also, however, speak to the specific significance of Boxer himself: before being carted off, he serves as the force that holds Animal Farm together.
可以用陶傑成日講嘅小農ＤＮＡ去演繹，大部份港人都有濃厚小農ＤＡＮ
小農DNA 點講呢, 我會話係 Boxer 嘅變奏, 比人揾得笨多, 變咗乜都唔撚信, 乜都Ban咗你先
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