所以我一直都係支持獨立
但無可否認，陳雲既自治論反而係激發左更多人去論壇獨立

人係好ON9，鍾意為自己做既野搵理由借口，如果無一個安慰到自己既借口，好多人會選擇唔好搞咁多野
而以前香港人大部份都係大中華膠，或者血統膠，一直覺得中國係呀爺
陳雲既理論無疑係令部份人開始思考其實可能我地先係呀爺既概念
當老一輩既人對中共/中國既情感開變轉變，唔再覺得佢地係呀爺既時候
對自己身邊既下一代自不然無咁限制/煩擾

至於新一代，對中國本來就無咩感情可言，蝗虫既影響又日益嚴重，到左直接影響佢地既地步
但好多時唔出聲都係因為屋企D老屎忽係到嘈之巴閉，敬下老先唔出聲
如果班老人家開始接受城邦論中既中港區隔，某程度上係會容易接受新一代果種更進一步中港分裂既思想


可能講得一舊舊，如果巴打們睇得辛苦既我再諗下點整理

好多人都唔用腦諗多啲，尤其係老一代/小朋友，佢哋會見到一部份有道理，講得幾啱聽；就會全盤接受曬成套理論，將佢個人當神噉認拜！

冇錯，陳雲有時嘅發表係對港獨有好正面嘅推動作用；但係一睇埋佢個最終理論目標，屌丫！瀨撚晒野！又係入番去中共懷抱慢慢等運到....

陳雲只係過渡性人物

所以我一直都係支持獨立
但無可否認，陳雲既自治論反而係激發左更多人去論壇獨立

人係好ON9，鍾意為自己做既野搵理由借口，如果無一個安慰到自己既借口，好多人會選擇唔好搞咁多野
而以前香港人大部份都係大中華膠，或者血統膠，一直覺得中國係呀爺
陳雲既理論無疑係令部份人開始思考其實可能我地先係呀爺既概念
當老一輩既人對中共/中國既情感開變轉變，唔再覺得佢地係呀爺既時候
對自己身邊既下一代自不然無咁限制/煩擾

至於新一代，對中國本來就無咩感情可言，蝗虫既影響又日益嚴重，到左直接影響佢地既地步
但好多時唔出聲都係因為屋企D老屎忽係到嘈之巴閉，敬下老先唔出聲
如果班老人家開始接受城邦論中既中港區隔，某程度上係會容易接受新一代果種更進一步中港分裂既思想


可能講得一舊舊，如果巴打們睇得辛苦既我再諗下點整理

好多人都唔用腦諗多啲，尤其係老一代/小朋友，佢哋會見到一部份有道理，講得幾啱聽；就會全盤接受曬成套理論，將佢個人當神噉認拜！

冇錯，陳雲有時嘅發表係對港獨有好正面嘅推動作用；但係一睇埋佢個最終理論目標，屌丫！瀨撚晒野！又係入番去中共懷抱慢慢等運到....

其實我覺得，陳雲由始至終既作用，都只係做一個中間層用黎比左膠大中華膠去屌
畢竟港獨係香港未成氣候，而左膠等一見港獨就既時立場同支那一致，而家有陳雲比佢地屌下
港獨就可以乘機發展

而家當然可以用一部份人力去屌陳雲，
但更重要既係要開始討論如何獨立
亦要開始做更多既論述支持，最理想係同陳雲有城邦論一樣
我地自己都有一套港獨論

包括為何港獨，港獨的基礎，如何港獨，獨後生存，好處壞處等等

我記得以前高登亦有POST係討論香港獨立既可行性同獨立後應該用咩手法去保護香港

Boxer

The most sympathetically drawn character in the novel, Boxer epitomizes all of the best qualities of the exploited working classes: dedication, loyalty, and a huge capacity for labor. He also, however, suffers from what Orwell saw as the working class’s major weaknesses: [#800080]a naïve trust in the good intentions of the intelligentsia[/#800080] and an inability to recognize even the most blatant forms of political corruption. Exploited by the pigs as much or more than he had been by Mr. Jones, Boxer represents all of the invisible labor that undergirds the political drama being carried out by the elites. Boxer’s pitiful death at a glue factory dramatically illustrates the extent of the pigs’ betrayal. It may also, however, speak to the specific significance of Boxer himself: before being carted off, he serves as the force that holds Animal Farm together.

可以用陶傑成日講嘅小農ＤＮＡ去演繹，大部份港人都有濃厚小農ＤＡＮ

小農DNA 點講呢, 我會話係 Boxer 嘅變奏, 比人揾得笨多, 變咗乜都唔撚信, 乜都Ban咗你先

Boxer

The most sympathetically drawn character in the novel, Boxer epitomizes all of the best qualities of the exploited working classes: dedication, loyalty, and a huge capacity for labor. He also, however, suffers from what Orwell saw as the working class’s major weaknesses: [#800080]a naïve trust in the good intentions of the intelligentsia[/#800080] and an inability to recognize even the most blatant forms of political corruption. Exploited by the pigs as much or more than he had been by Mr. Jones, Boxer represents all of the invisible labor that undergirds the political drama being carried out by the elites. Boxer’s pitiful death at a glue factory dramatically illustrates the extent of the pigs’ betrayal. It may also, however, speak to the specific significance of Boxer himself: before being carted off, he serves as the force that holds Animal Farm together.

可以用陶傑成日講嘅小農ＤＮＡ去演繹，大部份港人都有濃厚小農ＤＡＮ

小農DNA 點講呢, 我會話係 Boxer 嘅變奏, 比人揾得笨多, 變咗乜都唔撚信, 乜都Ban咗你先

再講大體啲；香港人係唔知自己已經生活緊晌叢林入面，以為個社會仲係有大英女皇媽媽幫你主持公道嗰個香港....

Boxer

The most sympathetically drawn character in the novel, Boxer epitomizes all of the best qualities of the exploited working classes: dedication, loyalty, and a huge capacity for labor. He also, however, suffers from what Orwell saw as the working class’s major weaknesses: [#800080]a naïve trust in the good intentions of the intelligentsia[/#800080] and an inability to recognize even the most blatant forms of political corruption. Exploited by the pigs as much or more than he had been by Mr. Jones, Boxer represents all of the invisible labor that undergirds the political drama being carried out by the elites. Boxer’s pitiful death at a glue factory dramatically illustrates the extent of the pigs’ betrayal. It may also, however, speak to the specific significance of Boxer himself: before being carted off, he serves as the force that holds Animal Farm together.

可以用陶傑成日講嘅小農ＤＮＡ去演繹，大部份港人都有濃厚小農ＤＡＮ

小農DNA 點講呢, 我會話係 Boxer 嘅變奏, 比人揾得笨多, 變咗乜都唔撚信, 乜都Ban咗你先

再講大體啲；香港人係唔知自己已經生活緊晌叢林入面，以為個社會仲係有大英女皇媽媽幫你主持公道嗰個香港....

Mollie - The vain, flighty mare who pulls Mr. Jones’s carriage. Mollie craves the attention of human beings and loves being groomed and pampered. She has a difficult time with her new life on Animal Farm, as she misses wearing ribbons in her mane and eating sugar cubes. She represents the petit bourgeoisie that fled from Russia a few years after the Russian Revolution.

陳雲套理論只可以當做起始理論, 到到真係所有野出現晒個時, 就會有一堆人同佢分手
我認為獨立先係對香港長治久安的最理想做法

唔敢講係迷雲, 只係對陳雲表示同情

當下 :
陳雲城邦論 = 基本法一國兩制中港區隔 = 權宜之計但唯一合法可行安全之路
鍾祖康 = ? ? ? ?
(現實 : 普世撚左膠話自保=自私, 大支那撚話大家都係中國人, 建制話你自治太激進)

未來 :
陳雲 = 中華邦聯 (假設中共倒台大陸分裂)
鍾祖康 = 獨立 (假設 ? ? ? ? ?)

要問問鍾祖康, 佢當下想點, 同對未來個假設係點.